Heh heh no, my logi is dependent on his fluxes for 1v1 situations, instead I should be able to rely on my AV squad member to be able to achieve this 'retreat' scenario with his AV DEDICATED LIGHT WEAPON. People who play with squads often fill a certain role which they are geared towards.

But now I need to start packing sub-standard AV countermeasures because the guy who's dedicated role as AV is about as useful doing the maccarana.

I'll say it once I'll say a thousand times, people should not be forced to do something. You shouldn't force Logi units to use all equipment slots, you shouldn't force heavies to use heavy weaponry, you shouldn't be forced into teamwork to destroy or coerce the retreat of vehicles.

Instead it should be advantageous to do so, a logi should WANT to fill out his equipment, a heavy should WANT to use a heavy weapon, squad members should WANT to work together. We need AV equipment that encourages the use of team play, but doesn't make it a neccesity.

I should want to equip something that helps in my role, but also his role. So as a combat engineer I would pack webifier mines, or deployable small railgun turrets. My point man might start packing EMP grenades that cause weapons to misfire or so on. But at the same time if I am busy doing my Job, I need to be confident my AV unit can do his Job, Solo!

I wouldn't necessarily expect him to blow up the tank, but I certainly expect him stop it ramming a blaster turret up my backside and to be adequately be rewarded for it, you can not tell me that
A) This already happens
B) They are adequately rewarded
C) They have the facilities to do their job effectively

Also finally you missed the main point, I can do my Job, rather well if I do say so myself, but at the moment my AV physically can't do his Job, he might as well use a mlt assault suit and do an entirely different role.

Thats the entirety of your response? I had been gearing up for an interseting intellectual battle and that is all you can reply with? Alot of people are using that argument lately.

Im right your wrong, I have no evidence to support my arguement or weaken yours, but Im still right!

I used logic and gave you clear workings of that logic. Once again you are assuming everyone wants to win and the orginal tactic does not already contain a counter.

In my squad we already had a counter to vehicles, we had an commando AV specalist. His job was to stop tankers from wiping us out. Now at the moment the only method of dealing with vehicles dealing enough damage to destroy or cause a retreat. So when you nerf the application of damage without providing other methods to counter the threat how do you propose you adapt?

You end up with rather outlandish tactics like LAV bombs because the stock provided methods no longer do their job, it has killed a role, hampered the use of a suit (commando is hardly geared towards AI operations) and your solution is drop everything you normally do and start running identical fits in order to have the best chance of survival.

It's all well and good saying adapt and HTFU, but if people don't explain things like this then we would still be at the killer taxi stage.

So you are saying you are happy with this scenario.

To counter threat A we have counter B - Brilliant
Threat A has been buffed, counter B has been nerfed - Ok is there a counter C?
No there is only counter B - But that doesn't work anymore, what do we do?
Use more of it!

You are happy with that? You don't want to give people options?

For example omitting fighting with fire: How can you deal with a Sniper?
Short range Combat (Hard Counter)
Vehicular Combat
Long range combat(Forge Gun, Rail Rifle)

How do you deal with a hmg heavy in a corridor?
Mass Driver (Aoe Combat)
Shotgun ( close range combat)
rifle (long range combat)

How do you deal with a Tank?
AV (doesn't work effectively anymore)
Suicide LAV (not really a tactic)
. . . .

We need more options if you are gonna make the dealing damage difficult then you need to give us other counters that don't fequire damage.

You tell me the list is small, then you give me a soultion from the list, AV grenades are AV.

Yes there are solutions, Ye people do adapt. But just because we can adapt doesn't mean the mechanic isn't broken. As you said during the BPO killer taxi days, every man and his dog had AV grenades. But that didn't stop people complaing about the broken mechanic, if didn't stop CCP providing a soultion.

And it won't stop it here.
Just because the soloutions currently available involve slim pickings, that doesn't mean we haven't employed them.